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13
2012
Everton ARE A Bigger Club Than Aston Villa
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I tweeted the other day that Everton are a bigger club than Aston Villa, a statement met with much hostility from a selection of fans from the Midlands outfit.

This is a discussion I have stumbled across on numerous occasions on different forums and while some Villa fans accept Everton are the bigger club, I remain shocked as to the number of Villains who just don't see it. Especially when taken into consideration that the Aston Villa official website refers to them as the fifth most successful club in English football history. Everton are the fourth.

First of all it is important to establish what makes a big club. It is not the size of the stadium, or league position the season before. A big club can only be judged on the number of trophies in their cabinet.

Granted, Villa won the European Cup in 1982, a feat the Toffees have never managed. It is worth noting however that Nottingham Forest have won Europe's elite competition on two occasions and even the most avid of Forest followers could not honestly claim that they are a bigger club than Everton.

The blue half of Merseyside did celebrate European glory in 1985 - Howard Kendall's side beating Rapid Vienna in Rotterdam to claim the Cup Winners' Cup, now known as the Europa League.

Of course winning the European Cup is a greater achievement, and had both clubs been locked on the same number of trophies then that would trump Everton's triumph and Villa would have to be deemed a bigger club.

As often well publicised by Evertonians, the Goodison Park outfit missed out on the opportunity to claim the biggest prize in club football when all English clubs were banned from European competition from the 1985-86 to 1990-91 seasons.

The ban coincided with Everton winning the league the season before and therefore qualifying for the European Cup. Gary Lineker, who signed for the great Barcelona after a season on Merseyside, recently claimed that Everton were the best side he ever played for.

After making the claim through Twitter, Lineker was asked if Barca were not the greatest side he ever represented. He replied: "Sadly Barcelona were not the side they are today. EFC were very strong in mid 80's. Best club side I played for."

Of course being the best side in Europe (or certainly one of the best) and winning the European Cup are two completely different things. There are too many if's and but's surrounding the subject and the records show that Everton have never won it.

What they have won however is nine league titles, compared to Villa's seven. Not a big difference but it is worth noting that six of those seven titles were won between 1889 and 1910. There is then a 71 year wait for the next league triumph in 1981. Compare that to Everton, whose nine titles are spread over six decades. Notably two in the 1930's, two in the 1960's and two in the 1980's.

See below links to both club's official site history page.

Everton - http://www.evertonfc.com/history/club-honours.html

Villa - http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/HistoryHonours

With 108 seasons complete, Everton are also the longest-serving club in the top flight by some distance.

The fact that Villa find themselves second on that list with 99 years spent in the country's top division proves that they are a club with a rich history - just not quite as rich as Everton's.

There is no doubting that both clubs boast some of the finest traditions and proudest histories in English football and the likes of Chelsea and Manchester City have a long way to go and many more billions to spend to emulate anywhere near the same sort of success.

As the saying at Goodison Park goes - if you know your history...

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Comments about Everton ARE A Bigger Club Than Aston Villa
 
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I think the main point should be made: Astin Villa were a former founder of the football league, their stadium is renowned (probably throughout the world), they had many historic victories, very traditional, they have fallen behind only because of the huge amount of money coming from the owners who have taken money from their countries in fraud i.e. russian and other owners - I wouldn't want Villa to be a team like that. I want them to be a team that doesn't rely on vast amounts of money to do well - any team who does that is meaningless. Villa have tradition, they are the best team going my dears.
me, exeter, 7:13 PM 16/05/2015
 
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I have a massive respect for Everton, and always enjoy going to Goodison. Also, regardless of the past two seasons I always consider you to be our nearest rivals, and always look for our fixtures when they are released. Alas, a pointless and stupid article, two great clubs, two sets of die hard fans, two great stadiums, two great trophy cabinets. Long may it continue. We may aswell debate why we are both bigger clubs than Manshitty and Chelsea based upon this articles argument. Good luck next season you lot and up the villa.
Michael, Solihull, 8:33 AM 14/07/2012
 
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My dads bigger than your dad If you can't write something worth writing DON'T BOTHER
Aston, Redditch, 5:18 PM 13/07/2012
 
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I do respect Everton as a club, and I consider you of the same standing as my belowed villa. There are of course a few more throphies to take into account. The FA cup and the League Cup are not mentioned in this article. Villa has more, albeit all of the FA wins are far into the past. With regards to league performance in the Prem, i find our perfomances are very similar. We had a challange in 1992/1993, but Man United pipped that one. There is of course another factor: Fanbase. I think Everton might win this one, but I am not sure. At least overseas, Evertons strong period in the second half of the 80s gave them many fans among those who follow english football. At least thats what it is like in Scandinavia, where I am from. At the same time, Villa enjoyed incredible support even in the long span without throphies that you mentioned, and had a fantastic average attendance even in the old third division. european-football-statistics.co.uk is a great site for these things, btw. Fair play if you want to rate Everton higher, but your articles would carry more weight if you considered more facts.
Kveiteknut, Belgium, 4:50 PM 13/07/2012
 
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What a pointless article. I always regarded ourselves as being very similar to Villa in size, honours, history, fanbase etc. but why do you feel the need to have a big debate over it?
Big Dunc77, Liverpool, 4:38 PM 13/07/2012
 
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Why even bring it up? I think most Villa and Everton fans have a lot of respect for each other. We both have glorious histories for the reasons you mention above. I think we are on par with each other, if not Villa slightly in front. The 81 league title and subsequent 82 European cup is a huge feat for any club. It is not just about trophies. It also about fan base. Surely Villa's is bigger. Obviously there is the size of the cities with Birmingham being bigger than Liverpool. But Villa being the biggest club in the Midlands, gives them good regional support, whereas Everton play second fiddle(no offence) to Liverpool. Anyway, two great English clubs with great traditions. Good luck for the forthcoming season.
Dr. Villa, Somewhere, 4:08 PM 13/07/2012
 
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A strong and well thought out argument. I would like to point out at this point I don't care one iota on history making clubs bigger as that would make both villa and everton bigger than tottenham, Newcastle, man city et al..... But as last seasons final league positions show, history counts for nothing! But I see no mention o the domestic cups in your argument and viola have 7 fa cups to everton's 5 and 5 league cups to everton's 0.... So maybe villa are the bigger club after all :-)
Tarka, Telford, 1:56 PM 13/07/2012
 
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Interesting debate. I do like the discussion around who really is a big club. For me you can tell a big club more by their bad times than their good times. If you can pull in 30,000+ crowds when you are doing badly then you are a big club. A big club is also a club who one way or another will come to the fore again in the future, even if they aren't doing so well today. I see the true big clubs as being Man U, Liverpool, Arsenal, Villa, Everton, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday and maybe Spurs. They are all capable of pulling in 60,000 crowds if things are going very well (Chelsea take note) and pulling in 30,000+ when they aren't going well. Just covering your point on trophies by the way, you have to look at the full picture. Villa have won 20 major trophies to Everton's 15, so whilst you do have 2 more league wins than Villa you have fewer European, FA and league cup wins so I don't think your argument stands up on that basis. Having said that, I know every Villa fan thinks of Everton as a club roughly on a par with us. We are both huge clubs that have suffered during the Premier League era with not being glamorous enough to get the big bucks and hence we have been less successful. But we both pull in massive away crowds and the glory days will return for both at some point.
upthevilla, London, 1:15 PM 13/07/2012
 
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Seriously this is the sort of crap people post to get people arguing. I didn't even bother to read your article because I already know how it is going to go. Who cares to be honest both big clubs with proud histories enough said.
Rich, London, 1:08 PM 13/07/2012
 
9
Seriously who cares? Write about interesting things! Bore!
Gax, Everton, 12:52 PM 13/07/2012
 
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Don't understand why anyone wastes their time writing such dross
Ray, Abu Dhabi, 10:47 AM 13/07/2012
 
7
Quite possibly the stupidest and most biased article i've ever read. Have you won the European Cup?
mick, Liverpool, 10:41 AM 13/07/2012
 
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Just to clear something up though, The Cup Winners Cup is just no longer in existence, last one saw final held at Villa park actually. The Europa League was formerly the UEFA Cup.
Dave, Dubai, 10:33 AM 13/07/2012
 
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Agree with villa John but I suppose this kind of article is one that will always come up in the off season cause there is nothing better to talk about....I miss football :(
Mark, Liverpool, 10:07 AM 13/07/2012
 
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@GaryMaiden this is the kind of contorted tripe that wanna be football blogger write... they try and sound independant but when you read back through the assembled words there is a clear "picking and choosing" of facts and figures. There are many factors that would suggest Villa are a bigger club than Everton, but I neither have the time of the energy to argue with someone who has already made his mind up with biased opinion and omission of fact. My opinion is football can't be measured against each other. Be proud of your clubs grand history and that History is your and your only. A measure of granduer has to to include trophies, fan base and history within football... it you know your football history you'll know why hundreds of clubs around the world bare the colours of my clubs, you'll know why we play in a league system and you'll under stand why Aston Villa are probably one of the most important clubs in footballs history... Enjoy your club and stop this bitter ranting...
@WorldClassAV, Omnipresent, 10:01 AM 13/07/2012
 
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Interesting but why ? This is the kind of B.S that turned me off talksport , create a row for no reason. I've always put us togetherish in achievements and never thought any further . I have personally have great respect for Everton and wish you well for this season , as for who is biggest who cares?
Villa John, erdington , 9:36 AM 13/07/2012
 
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How about this.... Aston Villa AND Everton WERE big clubs
Mark, Solihull, 9:34 AM 13/07/2012
 
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To be fair they did win in Europe
Blueboy1989, Merseyside, 9:34 AM 13/07/2012
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